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		<title>By: Indiana Jones i les llengües que es perden &#171; Bloc de Lletres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana Jones i les llengües que es perden &#171; Bloc de Lletres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 08:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] molt d&#8217;entusiasme entre tots aquells que estimem les llengües (tot i que des d&#8217;alguns cercles es va polemitzar sobre alguns aspectes relacionats amb l&#8217;estil i les formes del [...]</description>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to blow my own trumpet on the back of other people's wise works, I have finished the thing which called attention to itself above. It is at http://barista.media2.org/?p=3244#more-3244

I like to get this stuff off my chest occasionally. It peeves me a lot. 

And David - I am intrigued by the implied contradiction you noticed. We have a solid category in documentary in which a subject is covered by a crew who have fulll authorial or journalistic responsibility. And there's a group in which the filmmaker is the subject on a personal journey. But there is a hybrid in which the subject is a presenter and has responsibility for what is said and done on camera, but does not have rights over the cut. This can be pretty wobbly, as the presenter may or may not write the script. 

(I've worked on a version in which I reworked elements of a subject's book into a script, which he then paraphrased on camera. But the producer controls the cut and owns the project. In this instance, he was scripted to do lots of things in front of the camera, in which he was an experimental subject. But he was NEVER seen to do real research which he hadn't actually done already. These projects depend very much on the presenter - witness to which is the fact that the project collapsed when he got sick.)

It is possible that the secrecy thing was a visa issue. Crews are not supposed to work on films for any length of time without visas, and T am not sure whether they violated that rule. Which does happen often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to blow my own trumpet on the back of other people&#8217;s wise works, I have finished the thing which called attention to itself above. It is at <a href="http://barista.media2.org/?p=3244#more-3244" rel="nofollow">http://barista.media2.org/?p=3244#more-3244</a></p>
<p>I like to get this stuff off my chest occasionally. It peeves me a lot. </p>
<p>And David - I am intrigued by the implied contradiction you noticed. We have a solid category in documentary in which a subject is covered by a crew who have fulll authorial or journalistic responsibility. And there&#8217;s a group in which the filmmaker is the subject on a personal journey. But there is a hybrid in which the subject is a presenter and has responsibility for what is said and done on camera, but does not have rights over the cut. This can be pretty wobbly, as the presenter may or may not write the script. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve worked on a version in which I reworked elements of a subject&#8217;s book into a script, which he then paraphrased on camera. But the producer controls the cut and owns the project. In this instance, he was scripted to do lots of things in front of the camera, in which he was an experimental subject. But he was NEVER seen to do real research which he hadn&#8217;t actually done already. These projects depend very much on the presenter - witness to which is the fact that the project collapsed when he got sick.)</p>
<p>It is possible that the secrecy thing was a visa issue. Crews are not supposed to work on films for any length of time without visas, and T am not sure whether they violated that rule. Which does happen often.</p>
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		<title>By: Barista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a bit of local color</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a bit of local color</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The NatGeo mob had wandered into her home linguistic country. And she runs a blog called Anggarrgoon: Bardi on the web. She calls the whole thing &#8220;borderline [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, thanks for the comments above; I'm glad to hear that &lt;a href="http://www.tourism.australia.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tourism Australia&lt;/a&gt; knew how to made good contacts through language centres etc; I am mildly surprised but pleasantly so. I didn't know about Tourism Australia's &lt;a href="http://www.tourism.australia.com/Marketing.asp?sub=0323" rel="nofollow"&gt;Visiting Journalists Program&lt;/a&gt;, which it sounds like what the visit fell under.  I am still surprised that any linguist would fall into their category of being a "top-tier, accredited international journalist", but there we are.  While I have no desire to follow this up with Tourism Australia (or DFAT), I am now a bit puzzled as to what was going on in the visit.  From the explanations above it seems that Harrison &#38; Anderson participated as linguists in staged language documentation sessions and then reported on them as journalists.  Call me naïve but this strikes me as fraught.  And I still can't see why one would need to agree not to contact colleagues in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, thanks for the comments above; I&#8217;m glad to hear that <a href="http://www.tourism.australia.com" rel="nofollow">Tourism Australia</a> knew how to made good contacts through language centres etc; I am mildly surprised but pleasantly so. I didn&#8217;t know about Tourism Australia&#8217;s <a href="http://www.tourism.australia.com/Marketing.asp?sub=0323" rel="nofollow">Visiting Journalists Program</a>, which it sounds like what the visit fell under.  I am still surprised that any linguist would fall into their category of being a &#8220;top-tier, accredited international journalist&#8221;, but there we are.  While I have no desire to follow this up with Tourism Australia (or DFAT), I am now a bit puzzled as to what was going on in the visit.  From the explanations above it seems that Harrison &amp; Anderson participated as linguists in staged language documentation sessions and then reported on them as journalists.  Call me naïve but this strikes me as fraught.  And I still can&#8217;t see why one would need to agree not to contact colleagues in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Poser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Poser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can attest to the problem of distortion by journalists. Stimulated by the reports about Enduring Voices, a Vancouver Sun reporter called me Tuesday for an article that appeared Wednesday. Among other things,  I told him very clearly that two of the three languages of British Columbia that are already extinct died out because their speakers were absorbed by other native groups, not as a result of European colonialism. The article as published says that they died out due to European colonialism. The reporter seemed intelligent, so it may be an editor's mistake, or it may be that even an intelligent person is hard put to get things right when given only a few hours to research and write an article.

Enduring Voices is at least generating a lot of publicity. CBC Radio noticed it and is interviewing me Monday morning (at 06:30 - the sacrifices we make for the cause....).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can attest to the problem of distortion by journalists. Stimulated by the reports about Enduring Voices, a Vancouver Sun reporter called me Tuesday for an article that appeared Wednesday. Among other things,  I told him very clearly that two of the three languages of British Columbia that are already extinct died out because their speakers were absorbed by other native groups, not as a result of European colonialism. The article as published says that they died out due to European colonialism. The reporter seemed intelligent, so it may be an editor&#8217;s mistake, or it may be that even an intelligent person is hard put to get things right when given only a few hours to research and write an article.</p>
<p>Enduring Voices is at least generating a lot of publicity. CBC Radio noticed it and is interviewing me Monday morning (at 06:30 - the sacrifices we make for the cause&#8230;.).</p>
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		<title>By: ALS ILC ETC &#171; matjjin-nehen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALS ILC ETC &#171; matjjin-nehen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] indigenous languages have been receiving of late (an insightful discussion of which can be found at Anggarrgoon, twice)¹.&#160;Something else that will be discussed in Adelaide is the idea of language [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] indigenous languages have been receiving of late (an insightful discussion of which can be found at Anggarrgoon, twice)¹.&nbsp;Something else that will be discussed in Adelaide is the idea of language [...]</p>
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		<title>By: K. David Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. David Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends, we certainly regretted not being able to go to Ngukurr, and apologize for any inconvenience we may have caused by that omission.

I hope some of you may have heard some of the interviews I did this week on various Australian Radio stations, in which I described at length and in detail the fine work of language revitalization, as carried out by both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australian scholars, that we were privileged to have been invited to observe first-hand in NT and WA. Revitalization efforts, both cultural and linguistic, were the sole theme and focus of our expedition. I have not yet posted my own report on our expedition, in my own words, but I hope to do so soon.

A couple of further responses seem to be required of me by comments posted above: 

I don't use the word "discover", nor the word "save" in any context, spoken or written. I would humbly request that you please check your sources, clarify, and attribute appropriately.

Any questions about our interactions with people or our behaviour while in the field can be addressed to us directly, or, better yet, by contacting any of the many people we visited (I am happy to facilitate contact).

Requests to share copies of field recordings, notes or metadata can be addressed to me directly, as I've already offered to share these (insofar as I am permitted) with interested parties outside the immediate communities that originated and own them.

Opinions about or reactions to what journalists and media people (including at National Geographic) write, or their choice of words to characterize our work, can also be sent to them directly (I am willing to facilitate contact). 

Finally, questions about how Tourism Australia arranged our itinerary, journalistic accreditation, visas, logistics, permits, sponsorship, contracts, and conditions of confidentiality, will be gladly answered by the representative who accompanied us: tpascuzzo @ tourism .australia .com), and/or the cognizant consular officer: megan . doughty @ dfat . gov . au.

Thanks for your patience and guidance as we try to do something useful.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, we certainly regretted not being able to go to Ngukurr, and apologize for any inconvenience we may have caused by that omission.</p>
<p>I hope some of you may have heard some of the interviews I did this week on various Australian Radio stations, in which I described at length and in detail the fine work of language revitalization, as carried out by both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australian scholars, that we were privileged to have been invited to observe first-hand in NT and WA. Revitalization efforts, both cultural and linguistic, were the sole theme and focus of our expedition. I have not yet posted my own report on our expedition, in my own words, but I hope to do so soon.</p>
<p>A couple of further responses seem to be required of me by comments posted above: </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use the word &#8220;discover&#8221;, nor the word &#8220;save&#8221; in any context, spoken or written. I would humbly request that you please check your sources, clarify, and attribute appropriately.</p>
<p>Any questions about our interactions with people or our behaviour while in the field can be addressed to us directly, or, better yet, by contacting any of the many people we visited (I am happy to facilitate contact).</p>
<p>Requests to share copies of field recordings, notes or metadata can be addressed to me directly, as I&#8217;ve already offered to share these (insofar as I am permitted) with interested parties outside the immediate communities that originated and own them.</p>
<p>Opinions about or reactions to what journalists and media people (including at National Geographic) write, or their choice of words to characterize our work, can also be sent to them directly (I am willing to facilitate contact). </p>
<p>Finally, questions about how Tourism Australia arranged our itinerary, journalistic accreditation, visas, logistics, permits, sponsorship, contracts, and conditions of confidentiality, will be gladly answered by the representative who accompanied us: tpascuzzo @ tourism .australia .com), and/or the cognizant consular officer: megan . doughty @ dfat . gov . au.</p>
<p>Thanks for your patience and guidance as we try to do something useful.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: wamut</title>
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		<dc:creator>wamut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usmob at Ngukurr were actually one of the scheduled stops for the NatGeo doco team.  I got a call from Tourism NT who were doing up the itinerary for NatGeo mob and we agreed to be a part of their doco, however a week n a half before their scheduled visit, Tourism NT called me to say they'd just found out the NatGeo mob had halved the duration of their visit and so we missed out.  Pity.  We were looking forward to being in the spotlight... 

I could comment on the bigger issues you mob are talking about but thought I'd just sure my little inside story...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usmob at Ngukurr were actually one of the scheduled stops for the NatGeo doco team.  I got a call from Tourism NT who were doing up the itinerary for NatGeo mob and we agreed to be a part of their doco, however a week n a half before their scheduled visit, Tourism NT called me to say they&#8217;d just found out the NatGeo mob had halved the duration of their visit and so we missed out.  Pity.  We were looking forward to being in the spotlight&#8230; </p>
<p>I could comment on the bigger issues you mob are talking about but thought I&#8217;d just sure my little inside story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K. David Harrison tells us he agreed to arrangements for their Australian visit and "I was not at liberty to divulge them in advance."  Presumably a condition imposed by one of the funding bodies (National Geographic? Tourism Australia?)   Why would one agree to this?  Presumably they found it was not negotiable and they decided that the expected publicity outcome would be "worth it".  Hmm.  Also, it was primarily a "journalistic assignment", but Harrison and Anderson are linguists (or are they accredited journalists as well?) and carried out linguistic consultations.  The pair were prepared to sacrifice collegiality to their expectation of potential publicity values. Harrison says "At every stop on our trip, ... we were accompanied by both local scholars and expert consultants." but I am surprised Tourism Australia could arrange all this, and wonder why there is no sign of these others in all the publicity (including, as Claire comments, on the websites outside of National Geographic's).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K. David Harrison tells us he agreed to arrangements for their Australian visit and &#8220;I was not at liberty to divulge them in advance.&#8221;  Presumably a condition imposed by one of the funding bodies (National Geographic? Tourism Australia?)   Why would one agree to this?  Presumably they found it was not negotiable and they decided that the expected publicity outcome would be &#8220;worth it&#8221;.  Hmm.  Also, it was primarily a &#8220;journalistic assignment&#8221;, but Harrison and Anderson are linguists (or are they accredited journalists as well?) and carried out linguistic consultations.  The pair were prepared to sacrifice collegiality to their expectation of potential publicity values. Harrison says &#8220;At every stop on our trip, &#8230; we were accompanied by both local scholars and expert consultants.&#8221; but I am surprised Tourism Australia could arrange all this, and wonder why there is no sign of these others in all the publicity (including, as Claire comments, on the websites outside of National Geographic&#8217;s).</p>
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		<title>By: Karlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I frequently come across this cavalier attitude towards academic or scientific knowledge in the media. It's sad. I guess the bottom line is that someone's trying to sell a product--whether it's a TV special or a magazine--and truth (being something that takes much time to dig up) is an expendable commodity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frequently come across this cavalier attitude towards academic or scientific knowledge in the media. It&#8217;s sad. I guess the bottom line is that someone&#8217;s trying to sell a product&#8211;whether it&#8217;s a TV special or a magazine&#8211;and truth (being something that takes much time to dig up) is an expendable commodity.</p>
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